Do you carry with a chambered round?
 

For those of you who carry a semiautomatic pistol, do you keep a round chambered at all times, or not?

I currenty carry my glock with a full magazine but no bullet chambered. My reasoning - the Glock for all intents and purposes doesn't really have a safety on it, so if there's a round chambered, it's ready to fire. I don't want the pistol to accidentally hit the ground or knock into something and inadvertantly cause a discharge.

I figure if I'm attacked I should be able to chamber a round fast, and I've practiced a little bit and seem to be ok at this. So I'm wondering if anyone has any good advice or opinions on this matter?

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No bullet, no boom.
Always one in the pipe.

Glocks are great - but not as EDC.
Better choices available.
ST

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As soon as I leave the house I just start shooting.

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I don't have any plastic pistols so:

Cocked and locked.

No other way.

CC

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:cry1::cry1::cry1:

I been having a week like this too.
LOL

ST

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Oh, grow up kids. LE agencies wouldn't issue Glocks if they were unsafe. And they carry them HOT with a round in the chamber at all times.

Glocks have THREE safeties: trigger safety, drop safety, firing pin safety. The only way the pistol will fire is if you place your finger on the trigger and PULL. You could take that loaded pistol and bounce it across the parking lot and it will not go off.

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I think my user name should answer the question at hand... :wink:

If you have enough time to draw the gun, rack the slide to chamber the round and then shoot at the BG - you probably weren't in enough danger to begin with to justify use of LF. But if you're put in a spot where you do have to use your gun, you will not have enough time to rack the slide. Also, your fine motor skills will be severely impaired under a stress situation, so you may not even be able (or not even remember) to chamber the round.

If you don't feel comfortable carrying your gun in condition 1 - get a new carry gun.

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alway have it loaded , that why i carry a ruger p95

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Always one in the pipe, but if I carried a glock I prolly would have one in the pipe either :)

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IF THE MOMENT OF TRUTH EVER COMES ....NO YOU WONT.......A TENTH OF A SECOND COULD MEAN THE DIFRENCE BETWEEN GOING HOME OR GOING TO THE MEDICAL EXAMINER FOR AUTOPSY.

YOU KEEP IT HOT.......JUST LIKE THE LEO's AND CRIMINALS DO.

T

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Unless a small rock hits the trigger while the gun is flying across that parking lot - then you have a problem. Or if you catch your undershirt in the trigger guard while holstering a loaded Glock...

Are Glocks unsafe? With proper training - no, not any more than any other gun. But the OP is clearly uncomfortable carrying his Glock hot, so the fact that hundreds of LEOs carry them that way is irrelevant. Also, we should not be comparing cops to civilian CHL holders - our situations and reasons for carrying are completely different.

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I defer to your professional opinion, with one caveat:
Not everyone has your level of training and expertise.
In my inexpert HO, choosing an EDC is about comfort level.

Many LEO buddies have opted away from the Glock when given a choice.

ST

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+1

Exactly.

I don't think it's irrelevant at all. And the situations and reasons for carrying aren't "completely different", either. They're the exact same.

A cop carries for protection. Any authority aspect of a carrying cop holds no real argument, as they are not allowed to actually use (read: discharge) their weapon UNLESS they feel their life is threatened. They may draw and try to use the the weapon as authoritive intimidation against an unarmed suspect, but that is purely relegated to theatrics - although they can always claim they thought the suspect was armed and/or a threat to their life and shoot them anyways, which is not representative of their true position as a civil servant.

Again the LEO's weapon (insofar as he is bound as a true civil servant) is for protection of self and others. And it's the exact same reason for any law-abiding citizen to carry.

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I'm sorry, but this is ridiculas! If you are not comfortable with a loaded Glock, you should question your ability to handle any firearm, much less, one with a manual "real" safety.
I'm wondering how you keep your car on the road?

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They are not approved for Arizona state patrol, they carry Sig's ( i know this as a VERY close friend is a motorcycle cop for the AZSP). Unless something changed in the last few years the Washington State patrol is not approved for glocks, they carry USP's. Those are the only two that I know of because I know people who work for the depts. i am sure there are more. police depts carry glocks because they are cheap, not because they are great.

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If you carry a gun with a thumb safety ( I don't....I like my plastic pistol ), you better practice, practice, practice popping that safety off until it becomes automatic muscle memory.....otherwise, you may well find when the time comes to squeeze the trigger, nothing happens.....and 'timeouts' aren't in the gun fight rules.

Go to a range sometime and just watch the number of people shooting auto's with safeties......you'd be AMAZED how many of them forget to flip it off.....now multiply that by a HUGE factor in the intensity of having to actually shoot at something besides paper, and I think a thumb safety is asking for trouble for many people.

"Yeah....he carried for years, and in the end, they found him dead with a fully loaded pistol....wonder what happened ? "

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I understand the concern. I was in a situation where thieves were breaking in my home in broad daylight. When adrenaline and fear kicked in, I could not remember where my pistol (S&W auto) was, whether or not it had a round in the chamber, and struggled to make my thumb push that safety off! When you are under that type of stress you will get "tunnel" vision, forget things, and lose those fine motor skills rather quickly. The less you have to remember, the better. Keep it simple. That is the primary reason why I went with Glocks.

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One of the off duty cops here was carrying his Glock in his pocket while eating at a resturant. It discharged and shot him in the leg, fortunately no one else was hurt.

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+1

Exactly.

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As long as the gun is drop safe, the only safety required is in between your ears. Based on the question, I guess anyone carrying a DA wheel gun should also carry with an empty cylinder too.

I would hate to be known as that guy who got the drop on his attacker(s) but lost the fight because he had to jack a round first. I know, I know, but the Israelis..blah blah blah

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I agree with Silvercity, I have 2 glocks, and researched gun safety extensively before purchasing. The trigger safety, drop safety and firing pin safety is quite a bit of safety for a pistol. All without degrading the weapons firing ability. I've seen drop test where they had the gun loaded, round chambered and dropped it repeatedly from a 2 story location. The weapon never went off, the only way a glock is going to fire is if the trigger is pulled.

When I carry it, a round is chambered and weapon is ready to go. Just make sure the weapon is in a proper holster so that the trigger is not inadvertently pulled.

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He should have his drivers license suspended for that! A "cop" that carries a glock in his pocket unholstered, can't be trusted to drive either.

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I wonder if the cop that shot the guy in the San Fran airport was carrying a glock or not.

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Yep. XD-40. Might not be as confident with a Glock, but always have one chambered in the SA-XD.

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Whenever a pothead gets stupid and his Glock goes off he claims the Glock "went off for no reason" and blames the manufacturer.

:smile:

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Unholstered being the key word there. I have been carrying a pocket holstered Glock for years and the only way that thing is going to have a ND is if I am fondling myself and grab the wrong gack!

:36_1_34:

Thats a sweet picture....Uh no occifer, its a crack pipe ...not a gun....

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I agree, in fact my XD actually dropped to the parking lot from my car seat once. Acted like it was empty. I do however like the extra grip safety.

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Well said.

That is the bottom line.

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I carry chambered in my "plastic gun" Putting one in takes time I may not have when I need it or I may want to remain quiet in order to keep my the elememt of surprise. The owner of the gun is the safety.

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I'm sorry, I didn't mean to slam you, you should be comfortable with what you carry, but being comfortable doesn't necessarily safe your life.
:signs14:

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Boy howdy. That's a true story. When the adrenalin flows you will resort to fallback. Your fallback better be right. Wonder how many people practice on the move? Most I watch just stand or sit and sight in real pretty like.:biggrin:

Not that you shouldn't sight your guns in mind you. EDIT to add: A good practice is to keep the finger out of the trigger housing unless you are going to pull it. That's become a habit with me.

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Thanks for not making me type it.

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I personaly like an EXTERNAL saftey on my trigger. I also like external hammers(or non-hammerless) because I like having more options for control.

I dont like glocks for myself, but I dont just shoot them down simply because. They dont fit me well, so I wont carry one, but I also wouldnt carry one because I DONT trust them.

Cops carry glocks because they are cheap. Agencies that can CHOOSE what they carry when money isnt an issue, dont usualy carry glocks.

"Glock Leg" is a VERY real thing and not all that rare. When the only external saftey on a gun is in the middle of trigger and the trigger must be depressed to deactivate said safter, thats a bad design in my book.

I dont carry, cocked and locked. I carry a da/sa pistol. I load, and decock my gun, then holster it. The saftey is off, the round is in the chamber. But the first shot is double action with a slightly longer trigger pull, this acts as a great saftey if for some reason something may come into contact with my trigger and depress it slightly. It takes a bit of force and slightly longer travel distance to activate.

Glocks are DA only, but their trigger pulls are lighter than alot of SA pistols so it doesnt take much to accidently have one set off, as many many cops have found.

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I carry a HK P7. Safest gun to carry with a round in the pipe in my opinion.

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EDITED cause I quoted the wrong person:

Want an external safety on a plastic pistol? Use the hard plastic holster that covers the trigger housing. Safer than a DA pistol.

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The P7 is a fine weapon...the only thing I can take away from it, is the cocking sound it makes when you need to be stealth, and don't want to give your position away. Listen to it in a quiet environment sometime.

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You've never heard about "Glock Leg"??? The sheriff in my county shot himself in the foot with his Glock.
http://www.google.com/search?sourcei...76&q=Glock+leg

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Wonder why we never hear this no safety/safety agrument about revolvers? People and cops have been carrying DA revolvers for years with full cylinders and no manual safety.......

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Simple; long triggers plus the trigger pull weight. If you've ever shot a Glock and a DA revolver, you'll know the difference.

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Probably because he hasn't learned where his finger is supposed to be...result of years of twirling his old pistol around his index finger cowboy style I guess...ahahahaaaa

As with any firearm, keep your finger OUTSIDE the trigger guard until time to actually fire.......again, go to to range, and you'll see this simple rule violated time after time. Be fun to make a U-tube of the stuff you can see at a range.

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I carry a DA/SA Autoloading pistol with a slide mounted safety. Always has one in the hole. Depending on the carry circumstances the safety may or may not be off. I feel comfortable the long first pull is sufficient safety for carry and the subsequent SA pulls mean I won't be jerking my shot all over the place (that sounded dirty, right?). I f, for some reason I were to have the time I would pull the hammer back with my thumb and begin firing SA pulls. Safety is generally on when not actually being carried.

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I am an LEO. I do carry a glock 27 off duty and I do keep one in the chamber at all times. I would say that 80% of the officers at my large department chose glocks as their off duty weapons. And no, it's not because they are cheap like many on here have said. It's because they are compact, and they are very reliable, AND ACCURATE. My sub-compact glock 27 is more accurate than my full size 40 that my department requires me to carry. My department requires I carry a Smith and Wesson 4006 (piece of crap).

I must also add that our duty weapons do not have safety's so I have never trained with a weapon with a safety and I feel that safety's are not needed. Never put your finger on the trigger unless you plan to fire. End of story. With the proper training a safety is not needed. In some aspects, not having a safety may make the weapon safer as you never have to think if the safety is on or not, and take for granted that the safety is on when it's not. Always treat every gun as if it's hot and you won't have a problem. As far as glock leg goes, it can be called anything, smith and wesson leg, hk leg ect. Just make sure you cover your hammers and don't have your fingers on the trigger while holstering

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True, but it still doesn't happen with other guns as much as it happens with Glocks, so that in itself shows that the design is not as perfect as they claim it to be. I personally have seen a guy shoot himself in the ass (not too bad, but the bullet grazed his butt cheek and calf) while drawing from a holster at a local match (Master level shooter). Granted, it was a Glock with sub-2lb trigger, but still. We were laughing, but it scared the shit out of him.

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For those who carry chambered. Do you ever unchamber it, and if so do you make sure not to chamber the round multiple times?

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Again on the money. Poor handling practices are the culprit. Lack of correct practice, mental lapses and such. As i said above... most at the range think it's all about sitting at an arm rest and aiming pretty. People that shoot themselves in the foot with a glock or xd are handling them very sloppy. End of story.

A related story. Years ago, an uncle of mine who was an avid hunter, fisherman, and game warden was loading a twenty two pistol and had some old ammo that he wanted to dispose of. So here he is loading the cylinder and one of the rounds was a little sticky ( the brass) going in.

What's he do? taps it with the butt of the gun to seat it. Lucky bastid put it through his hand right between the bones. Minimal damage. Stupid sh*t and bad habits, mental lapses are more responsible than anything else for gun accidents.

Practice good habits folks, because what you practice most will happen when it counts. If you carry your finger in the trigger housing you will probably shoot yourself or some other innocent.

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I rarely unload my carry guns, and when I do, it's usually downrange. But if I do eject a live round for whatever reason, I usually chamber the next round from the magazine and then put the ejected round in the magazine.

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btw, trigger finger control and muzzle control are the two most significant accident prevention habits that can ingrained.

Safeties come after that. Think about it, if a safety fails for whatever reason, and the gun is pointed in a safe direction with your finger off the trigger...

Nothing happens.

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I don't, for any regular reason at least, unchamber that pistol. I shoot it pretty often though and like Tech Guy, before I leave the range I empty my carry ammo and reload with new.

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When inserting your pistol in a thumb-break holster make sure the loose thumb strap isn't contacting the trigger either.

:smile:

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I carry a revolver but I have a glock in my briefcase. One in the pipe always. I keep the blades on my circular saw too.

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On the phenomenon of "Glock leg" it's been attributed too mishandling, during disassembly (you have to pull the trigger in order to disassemble the weapon), or people holding the trigger while putting it in their holster.

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I carry 95% of the time when i am out of the home.

80% of the time i carry with a empty pipe the other 15% of the time when i am going into a area or a high potiential area i chamber one before i enter that area or situation.

IE....i see no need to have a round chambered if i were going to a preschool...but if i were going for a walk in a public park yes i chamber one before the walk.

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I just had to weigh in on this subject.
There is no way the Glock can fire without the trigger being pulled.
Anyone who does not "carry" a Glock in a properly designed holster with a round in the chamber should just admit he is "afraid" and quit blaming the supposed inadequacies of the weapon design.
The way to face fear is with knowledge and training.
If you do not trust yourself to carry a Glock with a round in the chamber
for whatever reason just admit it.
I have been perusing an Internet Site that advocates the Appendix Position
Inside the Waist Ban carry. The weapon is pointed at your leg (Femoral Artery)in that carry position.
It bothers me to carry in that position. Yes I am afraid.
If something goes wrong and I make a mistake on a draw or reholster I could be in deep trouble. I am not blaming a weapon system or design.
I plan on practicing with an unloaded weapon in this position to increase my skill level to where either I am not afraid anymore or I still do not trust myself and continue carrying strong side behind the hip.
If you are not comfortable carrying with a round in the chamber, thats ok.
You have to carry in a manner suitable to your skill level and self confidence.
I can respect that.
Carrying a firearm is dangerous. It would be worthless for its' intended purposes if it were not. We need to manage the danger in a manner appropriate to our skill, training and level of self confidence.
Just my .02.

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What if you forget to chamber before going into one of those "dangerous" places? What if you're attacked on the way to one of the "safe" places. What if you're attacked on the way from a "safe" place to a "dangerous" place, and you can't remember if you've chambered since leaving the "safe" place or not?

Do you only wear seatbelt when driving during rush hour, but not when traffic is light?

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:4_1_72: Good idea with that saw NOOB. :4_1_72:

And there you have it. Trigger finger and muzzle control. When I remove the rail I ALWAYS point it in a safe direction even though I KNOW it is unloaded.

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Enjoy ---

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Carry everything chambered....unless it is some funky old west gun that can strike the primer if dropped.

Glocks.....carry chambered.

Has a long double action with a safety on the trigger.

I've never heard of any gun just cooking one off.....I guess it is possible that it could just fire without the primer being struck....but i would not worry about it.

Around the home....you could leave unchambered....just rack one in if needed.

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Yes, we have all seen this video...watch carefully how it went down. There should never have been live ammo anywhere in that room. He even had a colleague check that the pistol was empty, then proceeded to insert a loaded magazine, drop the slide, and pull the trigger. Bad form.

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FIRST THING to be absolutely sure of: When carrying a pistol MAKE DAMN SURE THAT IT IS LOADED.
Repeated for emphasis:
LOAD THE GUN.
LOAD IT FIRST. then carry it.
Got it?
any questions, please see me after class.

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Yeah, it makes some noise when you cock it, but its even louder when you pull the trigger right after that!

:)

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Craziness cannot be predicted. Some sicko could be thinking how great those little kids would be as targets.

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I rest my case. Look at He-Man #1 in the video....where is that index finger ?
Fortunately, he shot the correct person in this case.

As to the rest of the video, all I can say is lightweight people apparently should not shoot large caliber weapons.....and they especially shouldn't hold them a couple inches out from the shoulder....ahahahahaaa.....

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Good information here for a handgun newcomer like myself. I've only owned a weapon a few weeks and will admit I'm a tad wary of having a round chambered at this point. More range time will solve that and I'll be taking a class soon although it wasn't required to get my concealed permit.

I don't carry right now because the holster that came with my SA XDm 9mm is friction fit and leaves me zero confidence the weapon will stay put getting in and out of a vehicle, let alone having a minor fall or a struggle. I've ordered a Blackhawk Serpa level 2 holster which hopefully works as advertised in the videos. I probably still won't chamber a round unless I'm knowingly going into a high risk situation. That may change, I dunno yet. Up until recently my only protection was a baseball bat under the bed and an baton length of 5/8" rebar under the car seat.

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Anyone that carries a gun for "self defense" that is unloaded(not chambered), is a fool. I can understand the above post about mountain biking, but all others are foolish mistakes. You don't have time when SHTF to ask yourself if you have chambered a round. You probably don't even have time to chamber a round anyways, you are dead!

Carry loaded. Train loaded. Train for the unexpected. Daycares are dangerous places!

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You should never be knowingly going into a high risk situation, loaded gun or not. It's just asking for trouble. And if you do have to use your gun in that "high risk situation" you could be criminally charged because you knowingly went there looking for trouble, and brought a gun with you.

"Yes, your honor, I knew it was a dangerous place and I wouldn't be safe there, but I brought my gun with me in case of trouble and when that trouble found me, I capped his ass".

If you want to go to high risk situations with a gun - join the military.

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Since no one brought it up yet.

If OP does not feel comfortable, here is a mod that can be made to Glocks.
I looked at it, but left my G33 the way it is. Kinda cool though, you're finger's going on the trigger anyway, just push a little left first.....

http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2...afety-trigger/

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When I first started carrying I chose the Glock BECAUSE it made me uncomfortable. I don't want to be "comfortable" if that means taking my weapon for granted. I chose a Glock precisely because I knew it would train me with good habits rather than bad. In my mind, since there are multiple internal safeties in most modern firearms, an external manual safety is little more than a crutch that means negligent behavior won't get you killed.

I'd rather train the negligent behavior out of me than protect myself from it while still practicing it. Owning a glock as my first sidearm forced me to be fully conscious about all the rules of gun safety at all times. Always assume guns are loaded, don't aim at anything you don't want to destroy, be aware of your target and what's behind it, and keep your finger off the trigger until you're ready to fire.

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Interesting approach, and I guess it could work for some people. It's like going to the gym - some people can do it on their own, while others must have a personal trainer to keep them "motivated".

As far as the highlighted part goes, I personally would take a manual safety over one of those built-in ones in a heartbeat. With manual safety, I know that if I do my part, the gun will do what it's supposed to do. But I would hate to do my part and then have the gun decide it won't do his because of some "smarter-than-you" internal safety. The reason I pretty much stopped buying never guns is because every manufacturer these days is trying to CYA and save us gun owners from ourselves by inventing yet another magic built-in safety. Besides, the more parts there are in a gun, the more prone it is to failure. And most of those internal safeties require a number of small parts to function, and therefore the chance of failure goes up.

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I think you have to have a round in the chamber. If you have a reliable pistol then you should not be worried about having a round chambered unless you are worried about your inner jackass taking out a weapon and playing with it.

If you have a good holster the trigger is guarded. It can't go off unless you pull the trigger. Once you get over the fear of the gun magically going off you will be ok.

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NO!!!!!

An ND/AD is far more likely than you being attacked with no warning...on the orders of slipping and falling v. being hit by lightning.

If your gun goes off in public, you WILL be assaulted by the cops, and you will likely lose that gun, at minimum.

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...off your mouth?

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The thing that bothers me is that this has turned
into a discussion of brand A over brand B.

Talking about brand A or B is doing a disservice to the
person trying to learn something.

Carrying with one in the tube (or not) and how one "feels"
about it shows a lack of training,pratice and general
understanding.

We all had to learn this at some point so I am not trying to
insult anybody here.

To keep it simple...Safety's or a lack of a mechanical safety
is not the issue...use what you have.

However...If the gun is not able to go bang when your draw
clears the holster...you fail.

Get as much training and pratice as possible like your life
depends on it...oh ya...thats right...it does!

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They issue cops, and most of them are unsafe. :rofl:

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Your argument is contrary to a multitude of real-life experience (not me, others). Most people find that Glocks are some of the most reliable handguns available. When you pull the trigger, they fire. Even if they have dirt in them. Kinda like AK-47s.

First of all, there is no such thing as an accidental discharge. Guns don't kill people any more than pencils make spelling errors.

Now as for negligent discharge, you're right in that the chance is there. It is also possible that you will negligently play with the radio while you're driving. It is also possible that you will negligently drop your trimmer onto a power line while trimming your trees.

The point is that you are supposed to take personal responsibility for yourself and BE CAREFUL when handling or near dangerous objects. If you are prone to negligence, you probably shouldn't own a firearm in the first place. You probably also shouldn't trim your own trees, and maybe you shouldn't be driving either. =D

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High-quality revolvers are almost fool-proof. A waiver of Murphy's Laws on almost all of them in almost all situations.

Can't say that about most pistols...Glock or otherwise. Murphy's Laws are applicable no matter how "well-trained" or "responsible" you think you are.

I see the machismo is ruling this thread: "condoms are for fags" / "safeties or prudent carry is for fags."

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+10 I wont own an auto pistol that does not have an external hammer, period.
Big or small they all have have a hammer I can pull back with my thumb.

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Anyone who confuses "chambered" and "unloaded" is a fool.


The unexpected will far more likely turn out to be BOOM! from your own piece when you never thought it would, instead of grade-F thug coming out of nowhere shooting.

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I wasn't talking about Glocks in that particular post, but other types/brands of handguns.

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I always carry one in the chamber and I always carry a Glock. It concerned me at first, but after I started actually carrying it, I realized how it was not only safe but IMO the most effective. Buy a good holster that protects the trigger guard and don't pull it out and play with it :ok:

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Or human. Mistakes happen. That's why Murphy's Laws were written.

Unless you are able to focus 100% of your attention on your firearm 100%, use the "extra safety."

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External safeties encourage complacency, if you ask me. It's not about machismo. It's about life and death.

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Correct. Glock is not the problem. Murphy's Laws (or sometimes outright stupidity or avoidable carelessness) are the problem.



If one wishes to have one chambered all the time, fine - be prepared to accept any consequences. Conversely, do not insult those who don't want to accept the unnecessary risk for a Hollywood-style problem that will likely never materialize in a non-cop or non-soldier's life.


Reverting to Hollywood fantasy mode. "Draw!"

No, not "draw." Once threat of GBH or death is approaching, pull it out and chamber...a fraction of a second. Most states, even California, allow for this (read the state specifics of "brandishing," and even in the most restrictive states, fear for life and limb waivers it). The problem arises if you point it at the target without justification.


Indeed...learn to properly operate every part of the firearm, including the slide, blindfolded (well, not really, but theoretically), in percentages of a second.

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According to FBI studies, the two most common responses from victims were:

"I never thought it would happen to me."and "It happened so fast I didn't have time to react."

Still think you will have time to rack that slide or flick off that safety? You are free to opinionate all day long, gentlemen. But I hope it doesn't get you killed. Have nice day.

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You sound like Eric Holder.

People - including all gunowners - are human beings, who make mistakes regardless of hours/days/weeks/months of training.

Reckless behavior is the usual cause of ND/AD (yes, "accidental" is really a misnomer), but not always the case. Some could argue that carry a chambered round that leads to unintentional discharge is "reckless."

Does making a mistake mean one should lose their God-given rights under the 2A? Absolutely not - they just need to take more precautions and/or train more.

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At best, severe hyperbole, at worse, utter bullshit.

Nothing is "impossible" when it comes to firearms bearing/safety.

Follow all the rules, and it falls towards the ground - thankfully, its design will prevent it from going off - BOOM! Just one example.

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It's the same mentality that dismisses/disrespects use of sexual prophylactics, seat belts, life-preservers on water vessels, safety harnesses while climbing tall things, backup parachutes, and so on.

How much time, really, does it take to chamber a round? 0.25 seconds?

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Those who carry obviously dismiss the first excuse.

Those who cited the second excuse thought calling 911 was the proper response if "trouble" arrived ("didn't have time to react" = fetching cell phone from bottom of purse and then dialing 911 and waiting on hold). We gun owners know better.

"Hope it doesn't get you killed." Yeah, I've heard it from my parent's generation often: "I won't wear a seatbelt because I will drown if I sink into water," or "I couldn't get it off in time and will burn." Never mind 98% of the time the seatbelt will function as designed (click and it's released) and almost 100% of the time when involving water or fire the seatbelt will prevent you from bashing your head in, rendering you unconscious, so that you do indeed drown or burn.

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I stand corrected.

What he trying to do was instill a level on confidence in me by making sure it was done based on sound principles of gun safety.

I felt alot better hearing him speak that way becuase living in a state that WANTS to punish you because you feel the need to defend youself is stressfull enough..

But your point is well made.

T

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The more of your posts I read the more you look like a fool....

The average person can cover over 3 yards in about one second on foot. You had better hope that all these people you are advising not to chamber a round are not attacked by an average person. 1 second is not a lot of time to get your weapon in the "ready" in a close quarters situation.

Maybe you should advise them to go to a concealed carry forum to get advice. Most people who carry concealed have one in the pipe.

By the way I would like an explanation of what "loaded" means for every weapon. Since when when could you pull the trigger without a chambered round and the gun would go off? The chamber must be loaded in order for a gun to work. Sure I will agree that a fully unloaded weapon has no rounds present whatsoever, but their must be a round in the chamber for a weapon to be "loaded".....:Surrender:

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Every gun has a trigger..... if you do not pull the trigger they do not go off.

God help you if your attacker has a GUN with a round chambered. As soon as you rack the slide you will be a dead man. All your emotional arguments about machismo & safety will be pretty worthless when your brain is splattered all over the pavement.:getdown:

I can't wait to read more of your posts!

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A mistake is one thing. I said if you are PRONE to negligence, maybe you should reconsider carrying.

The only way a modern firearm will fire is if you pull the trigger. The only way it will destroy something you did not intend to destroy is if you were negligent.

On the contrary:
Sexual prophylactics protect you not from your wrong action but from your right action.
Seat belts protect you not only from your wrong action but also from other people's wrong actions.
Life preservers protect you from consequences outside of your control as well.
Safety harnesses protect you from your wrong action, but in a situation where the only person at risk is yourself. Also a safety harness is ALWAYS ON, from the time you start the risky action (climbing) to the time you end it. Gun safeties are not always on.
Backup parachutes also protect you from consequences outside of your control.

All of your analogies are reasons to use body armor, not reasons to use an external safety on a firearm.

If you have adrenaline pumping through your system, you'd be surprised how hard it is to manipulate small things.

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I have gone through and sold all my handguns that have safeties (except target .22's) because since I have several handguns I don't need any confusion about how they operate. My Sigs and revolvers all require a long double action first pull and all go BANG when I pull the trigger. I always carry handguns with a round in the chamber. I have a Glock but will probably sell it because it will go BANG even with a light first pull.
Nothing wrong with Glocks and 1911, but I just want all my handguns to work about the same IOW go bang without snicking off a safety (which might compromise my grip while wrestling with an opponent 2 feet away) and not go BANG while I am having a brain fart (such as holstering with finger in triggerguard).
Yes I am capable of brain farts. I know how absent-minded I can be when tired or under stress. I have taken this into consideration in my choice of handguns.

If I was a "one handgun" kind of guy perhaps I would choose from a wider range of firearms and let training take up the slack, but training won't prevent confusion associated with several different operating systems on different handguns.

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You also must look at this from the other side of the coin. You assume that cambering a round is no big deal. Have you ever been hunting? Have you been in battle? Have you ever been nervous when trying to do anything but aim and shoot?

Reality is big bucks run away if you are not prepared. Loading a weapon is done best with a clear mind. Life is not so simple when your life is on line. Pulling the trigger and hearing a click can mean game over.

In fact I would argue that if you are not a soldier or LEO that is all the more reason to carry one in the pipe. If you have not drawn and racked your weapon thousands of times or if you do not have a superior around to tell you when to chamber a round you should already be ready.

If you are serious enough to point a loaded weapon at something or someone then you should know what makes it go off. Pulling the mutherfukin trigger makes a gun go off. If you think you gun is just going to "fire"... load it and throw it somewhere. If it goes off retire your POS weapon and go buy a real one.

If you don't want to get shot by yourself then don't take advise from Plaxico Burris.

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I knocked my fully loaded, safety off pistol off a table and the only concern I had in mind the entire time was the damage to the finish that would be sustained. It never occurred to me during or after that it might "go off". And yes, it put a nice ding in the wooden grips that will cost $50 to replace one day. Until then it is dinged.

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This guy put his Glock through hell, and it does not shoot itself yet. HE DROPPED IT OUT OF AN AIRPLANE AND IT STILL FUNCTIONS SAFELY.

http://glocktalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=462537

Do a search for xd torture test. Point is not to talk up brand a or b, but the point is quality modern firearms don't just go off.

STUPID PEOPLE SHOOT THEMSELVES.... end of story

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Exactly. All 3 of my pistols are ready to go at all times.

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STOP watching Hollywood movies and start using your brain - if it works. You are living a FANTASY -


Thugs aren't waiting in the shadows to jump you every second of the day. 99.999% of the time you have minutes (or tens of seconds) of warning "something" is wrong.


Concealed carry forums almost always spit on open carry advocates and always ban people who say they will carry anyways when politician-pimps and cop-whores say it's illegal. F**k them and their "advice."

It's a PERSONAL CHOICE, not a popularity contest. If you want it chambered, fine.

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You must lead a pretty sad life fulfilling its emptiness by being "big and tough" by carrying "hot."

You fantasize about being a cowboy and wanting to outdraw the thug. You think the majority of interactions where lethal force will be justified will be just like the Wild West, with a guy in the black hat popping out from nowhere, and your quick draw skills are the only thing between you and death.

I say again: if you are not a cop and not a soldier, you will almost certainly never, in an entire lifetime, not have "enough time" to chamber a round.

This thread is helping me understand - not agree with, just understand - a small aspect of why many Americans don't like guns, and why the anti-gun nuts have such success in convincing millions to follow along with gun control. Many Europeans and other foreigners have criticized Americans for having a cavalier, cowboy attitude regarding firearms, and now I'm seeing they're not entirely dishonest or overreacting. "I will die because I don't have one in the chamber every second of the day because the bad guy will materialize from nowhere with no warning" is fantasy, indeed paranoia. This mentality makes defending the 2A so much harder for those of us who aren't pretend cowboys. Thank you. Thank you very much.

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Do you carry a Derringer?

:rofl:

(I could make a very insulting joke, but I won't...)

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I'm not exactly sure how some of what you say here addresses what you quoted from me, but never mind, you've spoken your mind, I mine, and there is no point in arguing any more. The majority opinion here is that I am a fool for not carrying a full mag AND one in the chamber, always, everywhere. That's fine. Some believe that 9mm is a pu$$y round, some call .40 S&W "short & weak" and on and on. Much of this is due to a social mentality rather than ballistics or application of intelligence to a question or problem. Opinions about firearms are all over the board, and no one "expert" or group of "experts" is right all of the time, possibly even most of the time. The reaction to what I've said is on par with me saying that I believe guns should always be fully unloaded, with the magazine empty and locked in your car trunk (which I believe to be insane). That reaction says more about my critics than it does me.

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This is a very good thread about a subject that I am currently interested in. I got a Kahr PM9 and the manual recommends not just sling-shoting a round in the chamber. Instead they recommend that you lock the slide back with the slide lock and then release the lock to chamber a round. I'm not gonna be able to do that in a tense situation, thus this gun almost has to be carried with a round in the chamber, is what I'm gathering.

I'm interested in folks' takes on this subject so I've been enjoying the mature back and forth thoughful posts in this thread.

For you who is polluting the thread, you've stated your position repeatedly. Please MOVE ON. You are screwing up a decent thread and you've made your point to anyone who can read. Move on to your next victim thread.

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FWIW, gpond, I have had issues with my slide ramming one home with the "sling-shotting" method. I always use the slide lock release method and it works 100% of the time in that method. This combined with the fact that I am perfectly comfortable with a chambered round in my pistol is what led to me carrying chambered. I've never entertained a cowboy attitude about it; it just seems logical that I would eliminate a point of very likely failure in what will certainly be a tense situation regardless of how much time I may have to work with.

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Sig allow you to drop the hammer and carry it chambered,
it operates like DA or I can pull hammer back and have SA -very light trigger
I 'm considering to purchase Sig 239 for CCW

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Glock recommends the full-on "slingshot" method for charging the weapon, and NOT using the slide stop (release). This sling-shot action duplicates the recoil cycle, ensures the round fully seats in the chamber, and that the slide closes fully into battery.

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My apologies for not duckspeaking.

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I like Glocks carried hot. To do so safely I believe the following are important:

1. Always use a holster that completely guards the trigger. If you forced to stick a Glock in a pocket or purse without this protection then you will need to dump the chambered round to be safe.

2. Practice getting the proper grip before drawing until you will do it without fail no matter how stressed you are. Many of the "Glock leg" incidents are caused by excited people getting such a poor grip that their hand slips off the gun when it is half-way out of the holster -- then they grab at it again and hook their finger into the now exposed trigger. Once your muscle-memory is programmed to do it right you won't have to worry about this anymore.

3. Holstering is rarely an emergency procedure: take your time with it. If you are feeling shaky then don't do it right away. If need be you can take the holster off your belt and re-holster while pointed in a safe direction. It is people who get into the habit of holstering rapidly who make up the bulk of the "Glock leg" victims. You don't have to be one of them.

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I agree with end of hope. Primers are impact sensitive explosives. Relying on safetys is contrary to everything I know about mechanical devices, explosives, and safety. You don't "have faith" in your locking carabiner's when climbing. Even thumb safetys are known to disengage themselves during EDC.

Someone did a bubba trigger job on my CZ-52 and I had the gun ND indoors when I loaded a primer seated blank in to the chamber. I set the gun on the counter and the gun discharged within 90 degrees of my friends abdomen 2 seconds after I set the gun down.

The CZ-52 is a notoriously unsafe firearm, but it didn't have that reputation when it issued. It was a result of wear to the internal safeties that bought it that reputation.

As a locksmith, figuring out every possible way for a mechanical device to do something it isn't supposed to is my job. Locks have been around for centuries and nobody has designed one that is fail-proof. Springs get weak, moving parts get dirty and stuck, and acts of god happen.

Most holsters, it doesn't matter that much if you ND because the only one who will be hurt/killed is yourself. I prefer shoulder holsters, and I would be PISSED OFF if some asshole in front of me in line at the supermarket had a concealed horizontal shoulder rig with 1 in the pipe. I don't give a shit how many safeties are involved.

Ask an EOD how he would feel about a gun with no firing pin with 1 in the pipe pointed to his temple.

If your holster points anywhere but at the ground, you have no right to sweep everyone around you because you have "faith" in the primers, and the mechanical engineers.

I'm willing to chance dying, I'm not willing to gamble with other people's lives.

But considering how I drive: I guess that makes me a hypocrite.

Muzzles down or chambers empty. If you're not willing to point that cocked and locked glock to your head, what right do you have to carry it around others?

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I don't profess to know everything about self defense and CC but for me I carry chambered. I also carry either a Kahr PM9 or a DA/SA S&W 6906.

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Nice to see some logical hard facts on this fantasy forum.:ok::applause_
Between armchair rambos and flat out moonbats this place gets pretty far "out there."

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I will not go on and on about the benefits of having a round chambered. It is useless to do so if someone feels they are putting themselves and others in danger by doing so. If anyone feels this way, then by all means "be safe". However, there is nothing cavalier or cowboy about carrying a gun that is ready to be fired. It is merely the way a modern firearm is designed and meant to be carried.

Do whatever makes you confident. If you have a gun you are one step ahead of most people out there, but I will say that firearms are used over 2 million times a year by citizens in self defense IN AMERICA. You do the math.

I will also say that the majority of people who carry do so with a round chambered and they are not worried about what Europeans think of them when they are doing so. They can think what they want, but the truth is you are more likely of being the victim of a violent crime in England or Canada than you are in the USA. That is a fact, and if you look it up you will find it to be so.

Furthermore, I do not think it is wise to take advise or counsel from those who use EMOTIONAL arguments to support their claims. If someone accuses you of being a wild west throwback, or coyboy in nature, what does that really mean? If someone judges you by how you carry your weapon what does that say about them? To me it means the other person is limited in their view of the world because all they can compare your actions to is something they saw in a movie. Not very impressive IMO.

Make your own decisions, Decide what is best, but don't make your decisions based on misguided morals, and societies where handguns are outlawed.

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I carry everyday. Kimber CDP Pro .45 ACP. One up the pipe. Cocked and Locked. Carry a Glock .357 sig for backup, also, one round in the chamber. Could not imagine having to rack one in the chamber in a combat or defense situation. In a close encounter, you would probably have the gun taken away from you before you could put one in the chamber and then shot with your own premium super expanding man stopping ammo. If you are going to be responsible for your own safety and the safety of your family learn to handle a loaded gun responsibly.

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most of the time I carry a Kahr PM9 .....really the only safty is a long trigger pull...and a hammer block incase you drop it....i really love the way mine shoots...i have never had any issues chambering a round but i spend a lot of time shooting its 2nd nature to me

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That maybe they want in my pants?:biggrin:

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Subject: FW: Logical reasoning

My grandpa said to me, "Son, there comes a time in every man's life
when he stops bustin' knuckles and starts bustin' caps and usually it's when
he becomes too old to take an ass whoopin'."

I don't have a gun to kill people.
I have a gun to keep from being killed.

I don't have a gun to scare people.
I have a gun because sometimes this world can be a scary place.

I don't have a gun because I'm paranoid.
I have a gun because there are real threats in the world.

I don't have a gun because I'm evil.
I have a gun because I have lived long enough to see the evil in the world.

I don't have a gun because I hate the government.
I have a gun because I understand the limitations of government.

I don't have a gun because I'm angry.
I have a gun so that I don't have to spend the rest of my life hating myself for failing to be prepared.

I don't have a gun because I want to shoot someone.
I have a gun because I want to die at a ripe old age in my bed, and not on a sidewalk
somewhere tomorrow afternoon.

I don't have a gun because I'm a cowboy.
I have a gun because, when I die and go to Heaven, I want to be a cowboy.

I don't have a gun to make me feel like a man.
I have a gun because men know how to take care of themselves and the ones they love.

I don't have a gun because I feel inadequate.
I have a gun because unarmed and facing three armed thugs, I am inadequate.

I don't have a gun because I love it.
I have a gun because I love life and the people who make it meaningful to me.

"Police Protection" is an oxymoron.
Free citizens must protect themselves.

Police do not protect you from crime; they usually just investigate
the crime after it happens and then call someone in to clean up the mess.

Personally, I carry a gun because I'm too young to die and too old to
take an ass whoopin'.

-- Author Unknown (but obviously brilliant)

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My grandpa said to me, "Son, there comes a time in every man's life
when he stops bustin' knuckles and starts bustin' caps and usually it's when
he becomes too old to take an ass whoopin'."

Getting to that point now, I can see it in the not to distant future.
Gonna miss the occasional donnybrook.
Youth is wasted on the young.:biggrin:

ST

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Oh yes, I keep mine chambered and pointed at the door while I sleep. I even keep my feet dangling from the bed so that i'll have that extra 1/10th of a second on the intruder who is just counting on me to have to pull that slide back while he smokes his cigar and empties the clip in me effortlessly.

Paranoia will destroy ya..

In defense of C/C owners... one in the pipe makes a little more sense.

:23_1_22:

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Pardon me I've never read all the posts but I'll jump in.

Agree Tied Up Goat, but I never owned a .45 Govt model although I understand your feelings. I too want a chambered round, because UNDER ATTACK (the usual time to NEED my gun) the safety is the LAST thing I want to have on my mind. This is kill or be killed. Split seconds DO count. And experts say our heart rates will soar to 180bpm in half a second, we may get tunnel vision and time distortion ... this is NOT like ANY practice then!

Furthermore I know my safeties are ambidextrous. In any battle it is not unusual to lose use of a hand, shoulder or arm. Perhaps you are USING that arm to fend off a knife or club or fists ...

Also I practice often left-handed when I think about it. It feels so wierd since I prefer my right so much. So I feel I NEED to shoot left handed and it makes my right hand shooting amazingly get even better... don't ask me how.

And I KNOW I can never rack the slide with one hand... but I may WISH I could and die for it too. So -- If I can't carry an auto with a loaded chamber -- I'd just rather be taking a good ol' revolver hands down.

But my CZ-83 9mm (and many others) shoots exactly the same initially as my revolver, no safety, a smooth simple 2-stage double action point and snap, with a good transfer- bar hammer in case it's dropped from a high rooftop onto pavement. And of course the trigger should be covered by the holster to prevent a snagged trigger ... So, what ever is the problem with mine and others logical safe attitude? Why do any differently? I can't imagine.:confused_m:

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Reverting to Hollywood fantasy mode. "Draw!"

It's people jumping to conclusions like this that shows a
great deal of ignorance on their part.

Nothing "hollywood fantacy" about it.

If you have a pistol in a holster or a pocket it is a FACT
that it needs to be drawn smoothly,quickly and ready for use.

What part of this is difficult to understand?

If thoes conditions aren't met you better pray the person
your up against is less skilled and much slower than you are.

Mose people have zero concept of just how little time one actually
has to carry out several complex actions during an encounter.

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I never mentioned in my original post that I generally carry in a shoulder holster under my jacket. In which case I must agree with morganchaser.

This has turned out to be a great thread on an important subject, I've learned a lot. :applause_

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For those that feel strongly uncomfortable about a chambered round......

I suggest you get a double action revolver and carry the gun on an empty chamber....when you pull the trigger it will advance to the loaded chamber and fire.

The only down side is one less round of overall capacity.

Most gunfights only need a round of two....so you should be o.k. if limiting your fight to just 1 or 2 guys.

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I'm not a big fan of carrying C&L...On occasion, when I have to go to a big city like Miami, I will carry my OACP with one in the pipe and ready to rock. Otherwise, my main squeeze is a Snub Nose Revolver chambered in .357 Magnum. I suppose if you are in a combat zone, C&L is the only way to fly. I belive the negatives far outweight the positives for every day carry. Just too much chance of operator error...But that's me. VD51

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I'm a big gun guy - I love all guns - I own several 1911 model guns....

BUT - why on earth would anyone want a 1911 in a cocked and locked mode when you can find no less than 20 fantastic double action fighting pistols?

In WWI and WWII the 1911 was a great choice for a fighting pistol....but there are so many better choices today....

In my mind a Glock is the most perfect fighting pistol. That why all the cops have them.....pretty hadr to mess up pulling a trigger.....and Glocks have a fantastic DAO trigger.

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Always one in the pipe - locked and loaded.

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Why? I don't know about others, but I choose to carry a 1911 because it's the most natural feeling pistol to me; because I can draw and bring it up on the target with my eyes closed and I'll know exactly where it's pointing with sights perfectly aligned; because it has the best trigger of any handgun available (unlike those terrible 10lbs triggers on DA guns); because the trigger pull is always the same, from the very first round to the last (unlike DA/SA guns); because it's very slim and easy to conceal (unlike the Glock that feels like a brick in the holster, has a weird unnatural grip angle the size of 2x4); because I can take it down to the very last smallest part without any tools and know exactly how it works and what every part does, etc. I practice with 1911s a lot, I compete with them, I carry them, I have one in my night stand, etc.

I know you can come back and counter every one of my points and explain how Glock is just as good for you. But that's exactly my point - we've been arguing for 4 pages of this thread which gun is better, when there is no such thing as a perfect gun for everybody. You like Glocks, I like 1911s, someone else likes Sigs/HKs/Jennings/whatever. Pick the one you like and feel comfortable with, make sure it's reliable and safe, and use it. End of story.

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LOL!

Ya, well I pin (or even remove) those guards on my saws (as is the custom of many carpenters).

Of course, I have known a few carpenters who used the no-guard method and fell victim to runaway circ saws and still-spinning blades. They've got the scars and missing fingers to prove it.

Think when dealing with dangerous tools! Always, everytime!